Is drunk.
But correct in his statement IMO.
Thursday, February 21, 2008
Sunday, February 17, 2008
One trick pony.
Yeah, so earlier i tried to play some donkaments again, and gawddd i suck @ them. Im way too aggro, im not deep enough to play weaker hands and i try bluff stations.
So add that to the list of things i can't beat.
Sng's
Mixed Games
Omaha
Full Ring NLHE
Donkaments
Life
Oh well, at least now im crushing 6 max 200NL :)
Also, went to newcastle friday night for the forum game, i was first out which is super standard. I need to stop bullying really tight players who have really strong hands. They arn't folding! Srsly!
Guy opens UTG, i call OTB with KTs, flop air.. and raise his flop bet??? Shortly after i shove AKos to an EP 5BB open from a super tight player, why do i do this to myself? I know i'm behind but i shove anyway.
I sat @ 1-2 for a while and lost 2 50BB buyins with 77 vs T8 on 679 and then shoving an OE vs a donk lead. GG
But at least i got a nice breakfast for only 2.50 :D
So add that to the list of things i can't beat.
Sng's
Mixed Games
Omaha
Full Ring NLHE
Donkaments
Life
Oh well, at least now im crushing 6 max 200NL :)
Also, went to newcastle friday night for the forum game, i was first out which is super standard. I need to stop bullying really tight players who have really strong hands. They arn't folding! Srsly!
Guy opens UTG, i call OTB with KTs, flop air.. and raise his flop bet??? Shortly after i shove AKos to an EP 5BB open from a super tight player, why do i do this to myself? I know i'm behind but i shove anyway.
I sat @ 1-2 for a while and lost 2 50BB buyins with 77 vs T8 on 679 and then shoving an OE vs a donk lead. GG
But at least i got a nice breakfast for only 2.50 :D
Friday, February 15, 2008
Implied Odds
Guess I mis-interpreted the last question as he was asking more about stack sizes vs. implied odds.
Question:
I'm more interested in when i hear people say they fold a certain hand in a cash game because "their isn't set value" or they fold because the guy only has xx big blinds.
Okay, so this is a question that relates to implied odds and when it is favorable to play a hand for them. The bigger your opponents stack compared to his raise the better your implied odds will be.
For example:
You're playing against player A. You have played many hands against player A before and you know that when he opens for a 6xBB raise that he always has a big pocket pair. You also know that he will not fold an overpair on the flop.
Situation 1:
You are playing a 0.50/1 game and his starting stack is 36$ he opens in the small blind for 6$ and you look down in the BB and see pocket 2s, what do you do?
Answer: Fold. You have to make a 5$ call here and you are only 8:1 to flop the set you need. This means for your call to be a profitable call you need him to commit 40$ or more to the pot and seeing as he does not have that much money it makes calling an unprofitable proposition. You also have to account for the times that your set gets cracked (set over set) and the times where you doesn't go all in when you hit the set. (ie: he has KK and A23 flops, he probably will get scared by the ace and not commit his entire stack). Accounting for all this makes it a really easy fold.
Situation 2:
Same situation but now you both have 100$ stacks, what do you do?
Answer: Call. You are calling off 5$ in the hopes of flopping your set. You will hit your set approxiamately 1 in 9 times and from your knowledge of player A you know that you will win the rest of his 94$ the majority of the time you hit your set. This is clearly a profitable play. As your implied odds on your 5$ call are roughly 20:1. (IE: his stack size is 20 times what you commited when you made the call.)
Hope that clears that up.
Question:
I'm more interested in when i hear people say they fold a certain hand in a cash game because "their isn't set value" or they fold because the guy only has xx big blinds.
Okay, so this is a question that relates to implied odds and when it is favorable to play a hand for them. The bigger your opponents stack compared to his raise the better your implied odds will be.
For example:
You're playing against player A. You have played many hands against player A before and you know that when he opens for a 6xBB raise that he always has a big pocket pair. You also know that he will not fold an overpair on the flop.
Situation 1:
You are playing a 0.50/1 game and his starting stack is 36$ he opens in the small blind for 6$ and you look down in the BB and see pocket 2s, what do you do?
Answer: Fold. You have to make a 5$ call here and you are only 8:1 to flop the set you need. This means for your call to be a profitable call you need him to commit 40$ or more to the pot and seeing as he does not have that much money it makes calling an unprofitable proposition. You also have to account for the times that your set gets cracked (set over set) and the times where you doesn't go all in when you hit the set. (ie: he has KK and A23 flops, he probably will get scared by the ace and not commit his entire stack). Accounting for all this makes it a really easy fold.
Situation 2:
Same situation but now you both have 100$ stacks, what do you do?
Answer: Call. You are calling off 5$ in the hopes of flopping your set. You will hit your set approxiamately 1 in 9 times and from your knowledge of player A you know that you will win the rest of his 94$ the majority of the time you hit your set. This is clearly a profitable play. As your implied odds on your 5$ call are roughly 20:1. (IE: his stack size is 20 times what you commited when you made the call.)
Hope that clears that up.
Thursday, February 14, 2008
ceV vs $eV
Just gonna take a shot at answer a question posted in the comments.
The question was:
"i also read or hear a lot about people laying down hands because stack sizes don't make it worth it, what is meant by that?"
I think this question is refering to laying down a hand that is likely ahead because of the stack sizes. There are situations in poker where it is indeed profitable to do this. They do occur more in SnGs, but can also happen in MTTs.
Firstly to answer this question you must understand the difference between ceV and $eV. ceV refers to your chip equity (expected return) whereas $eV refers to your expected return in dollars. In tournaments everyone knows (or should know) that chips do not convert linearly into dollars. Ie: just because you doubled up in chips it does not mean that you have doubled your expected profit from the tournament. In fact sometimes even if you are expected to make chips by making a move it may still be the wrong move to make. To illustrate this i'll set up an extreme example.
Blinds: 5/10
Payout structure:
1st: 50$
2nd: 30$
3rd: 20$
4th: 0$
Stacks:
player A: 1 chip
player B: 4800 chips
player C: 4800 chips
you: 400 chips
you are dealt AcAs in the BB, player A folds, players B moves all in and player C folds, what do you do???
Fold of course!
Now although this is a completely exaggerated unrealistic example you should be able to see that you have +ceV (I mean you do have the best hand in poker) but calling this would be severely -$eV due to the payout structure and current chip stacks.
Reason: You're almost guarenteed to cash here if you fold because player A only has 1 chip left. Although you're obviously a massive favorite with AA here, you gotta fold because you simply cannot risk your tournament life here with any holding. Finishing out of the money here would be a complete catastrophe. I'd also like to mention that doubling up barely increases your $equity because you're still a massive short stack compared to 1st and 2nd.
Again this is an extremely exaggerated example and you will rarely, if ever, find a place where folding AA is the correct move. It is just something to keep in your mind that +ceV does not always = +money. Also these situations are more prevalent in sit n' gos than multi-table tourneys just because of the payout structure. I'm no pro at these sorts of things by any means (blue's probably the one to ask about sngs) but recognizing these sorts of situations are extremely important for anyone looking to become a high-stakes SnG player in particular. I recommend searching 'ICM poker' or 'Independent chip model' on google if anyone really wants to learn more about this sort of thing, as I am sure there has been a lot of discussion posted on this topic.
I hope thats what you were asking about and that it at least gave some insight about what people are talking about when they talk about folding because of stack sizes.
The question was:
"i also read or hear a lot about people laying down hands because stack sizes don't make it worth it, what is meant by that?"
I think this question is refering to laying down a hand that is likely ahead because of the stack sizes. There are situations in poker where it is indeed profitable to do this. They do occur more in SnGs, but can also happen in MTTs.
Firstly to answer this question you must understand the difference between ceV and $eV. ceV refers to your chip equity (expected return) whereas $eV refers to your expected return in dollars. In tournaments everyone knows (or should know) that chips do not convert linearly into dollars. Ie: just because you doubled up in chips it does not mean that you have doubled your expected profit from the tournament. In fact sometimes even if you are expected to make chips by making a move it may still be the wrong move to make. To illustrate this i'll set up an extreme example.
Blinds: 5/10
Payout structure:
1st: 50$
2nd: 30$
3rd: 20$
4th: 0$
Stacks:
player A: 1 chip
player B: 4800 chips
player C: 4800 chips
you: 400 chips
you are dealt AcAs in the BB, player A folds, players B moves all in and player C folds, what do you do???
Fold of course!
Now although this is a completely exaggerated unrealistic example you should be able to see that you have +ceV (I mean you do have the best hand in poker) but calling this would be severely -$eV due to the payout structure and current chip stacks.
Reason: You're almost guarenteed to cash here if you fold because player A only has 1 chip left. Although you're obviously a massive favorite with AA here, you gotta fold because you simply cannot risk your tournament life here with any holding. Finishing out of the money here would be a complete catastrophe. I'd also like to mention that doubling up barely increases your $equity because you're still a massive short stack compared to 1st and 2nd.
Again this is an extremely exaggerated example and you will rarely, if ever, find a place where folding AA is the correct move. It is just something to keep in your mind that +ceV does not always = +money. Also these situations are more prevalent in sit n' gos than multi-table tourneys just because of the payout structure. I'm no pro at these sorts of things by any means (blue's probably the one to ask about sngs) but recognizing these sorts of situations are extremely important for anyone looking to become a high-stakes SnG player in particular. I recommend searching 'ICM poker' or 'Independent chip model' on google if anyone really wants to learn more about this sort of thing, as I am sure there has been a lot of discussion posted on this topic.
I hope thats what you were asking about and that it at least gave some insight about what people are talking about when they talk about folding because of stack sizes.
Tuesday, February 12, 2008
Getting back into things.
Alright so Im getting back into the grind here, I made a new excel template before I played today so I'll be able to show off some new cool graphs and such when I play enough hands :).
I only played 500 hands or so tonight at 50NL, as I obv have no stamina and got bored really quickly :P. Also played the 2.5k and the 1.5k, and as usual did not cash in those. Cash tables went well though. I really felt like I was playing one of my best games, especially early in the session, as I was super focused. But I did lose some concentration after about 60-90 min.
So I was thinking of writing something useful, so to the three people who read this blog give me a shout and let me know what you want me to write about. A couple topics I have in my head that I might write my take on are:
LAG vs TAG and why both are better than passive play.
Exploiting Weakness.
Mid-Late game tournament strategy.
Poker Basics (ie: positional play, different styles, hand ranges ect...).
Stack sizes in relation to hand value.
If there's something not on the list that you want me to talk about email me the topic. If no one emails me im probably not gonna write anything :P. Also dunno when I'll get around to actually writing this, but if there is interest you have my promise that I will write something eventually and possibly get input from blue or gill if they feel like talking while they are 8-tabling.
Cheers,
Kyle
(pokerfiend)
I only played 500 hands or so tonight at 50NL, as I obv have no stamina and got bored really quickly :P. Also played the 2.5k and the 1.5k, and as usual did not cash in those. Cash tables went well though. I really felt like I was playing one of my best games, especially early in the session, as I was super focused. But I did lose some concentration after about 60-90 min.
So I was thinking of writing something useful, so to the three people who read this blog give me a shout and let me know what you want me to write about. A couple topics I have in my head that I might write my take on are:
LAG vs TAG and why both are better than passive play.
Exploiting Weakness.
Mid-Late game tournament strategy.
Poker Basics (ie: positional play, different styles, hand ranges ect...).
Stack sizes in relation to hand value.
If there's something not on the list that you want me to talk about email me the topic. If no one emails me im probably not gonna write anything :P. Also dunno when I'll get around to actually writing this, but if there is interest you have my promise that I will write something eventually and possibly get input from blue or gill if they feel like talking while they are 8-tabling.
Cheers,
Kyle
(pokerfiend)
Time for a proper update
Seeing as I was a bit, eh, not entirely sober last time I wrote a blog entry it's time for a proper one.
Sngs were down on stars on sunday, so I didn't play much there and i'm behind on my schedule to get platinum this month =/ Pretty much bubbled the 11r there, that had over 7,000 runners for some reason and a sick prizepool (270k in a 45k guaranteed), so it kinda sucked that I didn't win that one :D
Tournament Sunday basically sucked until I went deep in the 20k on poker.com. Pre-FT i pushed 77 with 6 bbs into AA and rivered a 7 to get a semi-decent stack (basically blinds get so high in this tourney, 12-13 bbs is above average at this stage) and made a hudge play with 95o against the chipleader. 3bet him pre and made him fold on a K high flop. Fancy play syndrome maybe, but he was raising every hand, so obv have to play back at him. Anyways, short after that the FT bubble burst and it was final table time, baby!
Some shortie got knocked out early, but it stayed 9 handed for quite a while. I was semi-active at this time, but not overaggro and kept building my stack to become the 2nd chipleader. After some shorty went in with 5bbs or so in fairly early position, I iso'd with AQs and it was goot vs his A8 and became first in chips. As people got knocked out, I turned up the heat and stole a lot with 2.5bb raises and made some resteals with decent hands.
As we got down to four people, some french guy pushed utg and I woke up with AQs again and it held vs AT. Yay for not running like Gill! 3 handed I seriously pondered an ace high call on the turn on a 23JJ board, but decided against it and wait for a better spot. Think I had another AQ hand, but this time it came short to the mighty KJ on the river and all me and another guy was fairly even in chips again, with the last person having about half what we had. Button raised a couple hands later and I went for a resteal with KTo and BB obv had QQ and crippled me. A couple hands later SB pushed on my BB and I instacalled with ATs. His K3 was good and I went out 3rd for 1800$. First was 5400$ and I felt disappointed that I didn't win, but atleast i'm 1800$ richer than I was before amirite?
Sngs were down on stars on sunday, so I didn't play much there and i'm behind on my schedule to get platinum this month =/ Pretty much bubbled the 11r there, that had over 7,000 runners for some reason and a sick prizepool (270k in a 45k guaranteed), so it kinda sucked that I didn't win that one :D
Tournament Sunday basically sucked until I went deep in the 20k on poker.com. Pre-FT i pushed 77 with 6 bbs into AA and rivered a 7 to get a semi-decent stack (basically blinds get so high in this tourney, 12-13 bbs is above average at this stage) and made a hudge play with 95o against the chipleader. 3bet him pre and made him fold on a K high flop. Fancy play syndrome maybe, but he was raising every hand, so obv have to play back at him. Anyways, short after that the FT bubble burst and it was final table time, baby!
Some shortie got knocked out early, but it stayed 9 handed for quite a while. I was semi-active at this time, but not overaggro and kept building my stack to become the 2nd chipleader. After some shorty went in with 5bbs or so in fairly early position, I iso'd with AQs and it was goot vs his A8 and became first in chips. As people got knocked out, I turned up the heat and stole a lot with 2.5bb raises and made some resteals with decent hands.
As we got down to four people, some french guy pushed utg and I woke up with AQs again and it held vs AT. Yay for not running like Gill! 3 handed I seriously pondered an ace high call on the turn on a 23JJ board, but decided against it and wait for a better spot. Think I had another AQ hand, but this time it came short to the mighty KJ on the river and all me and another guy was fairly even in chips again, with the last person having about half what we had. Button raised a couple hands later and I went for a resteal with KTo and BB obv had QQ and crippled me. A couple hands later SB pushed on my BB and I instacalled with ATs. His K3 was good and I went out 3rd for 1800$. First was 5400$ and I felt disappointed that I didn't win, but atleast i'm 1800$ richer than I was before amirite?
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