Tuesday, March 18, 2008

Thin value.

So Im somewhat caught up in school now so i logged about 2.5k hands over the past couple of days. Roll is now 375$. I've moved up to 25NL. (moved up at 250), which sorta sucks cause my roll runs out of money sometimes and I can't reload. (Im usually 8-10 tabling). Not great BR management, I know, but I feel I have a pretty good edge at this game, although I have been making a lot of non-poker multi-tabling mistakes, which sucks. About half are because of the software and half are from me taking too long on hands. (although thats sorta software related too as you get like 5 seconds to act.) Planning on playing a fair amount the rest of the month to build the roll back. Haven't heard from microgaming yet. They released another statement, but it didn't say too much.

So the cut off point for me is 200$, if I dip below that it's back to 10NL. Will move up to 50 NL somewhere around just over 1k$ I think.

I know I promised a video, but well... I seemed to have broken my headphones, so thats probably not going to happen anytime soon.

The largest error by far I see at this level from the regulars is a lack of aggressiveness. Especially on later streets. I've like never seen anyone value bet a hand that they weren't like 99% sure was ahead :P. Maybe thats a bit of exaggeration, but really very few players go for thin value at this level. In general if you are going to call it bet, it is better to bet/fold. The reason for this is that your opponent is going to be calling far more hands than what he's betting, for the most part.

Also for the love of god, do not 3 bet min raise your big pocket pairs, ESPECIALLY OOP! unless you want to get stacked by an asshole like myself.

Don't really feel like sifting through my hand histories, but there's a couple of hands I can post that are off the top of my head. These aren't the greatest examples, but I think a lot of people at this level wrongly check through the river, As I think both pushes are +eV, but that could be partially because of my image as well. I showed down a lot of shit in this last session.


Sorta what I'm talking about with thin value:

OBV I lost this hand,he has 33-99, A5, a lot and calls and Im only losing to AJ, JJ, 55, 22, A2. I think as played his range is tilted to 66-99. Really don't think he's gonna bet a missed draw on river if I check, so pushing is probably way better than check-call, which is probably a little better than check-fold. So in summary: (bet>>>C/C>C/F)

STAGE #25432563: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.25 - 2008-03-17 19:05:13 (ET)
Table: Tijuana -12025432 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - PDC-mistermaniac2 ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 3 - PDC-pokerfiend101 ($29.66 in chips)
Seat 1 - PDC-nikki85 ($6.64 in chips)
Seat 5 - PDC-Bullitt86 ($19.23 in chips)
Seat 2 - PDC-duelist1 ($33.89 in chips)
PDC-nikki85 - Posts small blind $0.10
PDC-duelist1 - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PDC-pokerfiend101 [Tc Ts]
PDC-pokerfiend101 - Raises $1.00 to $1
PDC-Bullitt86 - Folds
PDC-mistermaniac2 - Calls $1.00
PDC-nikki85 - Folds
PDC-duelist1 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [5s 2d 2s]
PDC-pokerfiend101 - Bets $2.00
PDC-mistermaniac2 - Calls $2.00
*** TURN *** [5s 2d 2s] [Jc]
PDC-pokerfiend101 - Bets $4.50
PDC-mistermaniac2 - Calls $4.50
*** RIVER *** [5s 2d 2s Jc] [Jd]
PDC-pokerfiend101 - All-In $22.16
PDC-mistermaniac2 - All-In $17.40
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PDC-pokerfiend101 - shows [Tc Ts] ( )
PDC-mistermaniac2 - shows [Js Ac] ( )
PDC-pokerfiend101 Collects $4.76 from side pot-1
PDC-mistermaniac2 Collects $48.15 from main pot


Guy is a bit of a station. A scared 8x is definitely in his range, although if he has that I assume this guy probably raises turn/makes some sort of mini bet on river. Flush is pretty unlikely considering he checked the river. (TBH- Had he shoved river I probably fold vs this guy). I think he most likely has 2 pair here and there's a good chance he's calling, A lot of 1 pair hands in his range too, he probably folds them a lot though. AA-QQ is definitely possible as well. Obv he called with TPTK, which was nice.

STAGE #254321056: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.25 - 2008-03-18 15:43:45 (ET)
Table: Tijuana -12025432 (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 4 - PDC-bumnbutt ($8.00 in chips)
Seat 6 - PDC-xxDUHxx ($24.48 in chips)
Seat 3 - PDC-fraggtus ($20.94 in chips)
Seat 1 - PDC-pokerfiend101 ($35.37 in chips)
Seat 5 - PDC-Froliche1 ($5.43 in chips)
Seat 2 - PDC-napatyq01 ($44.64 in chips)
PDC-fraggtus - Posts small blind $0.10
PDC-bumnbutt - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PDC-pokerfiend101 [7d 7c]
PDC-Froliche1 - Folds
PDC-xxDUHxx - Calls $0.25
PDC-pokerfiend101 - Raises $1.25 to $1.25
PDC-napatyq01 - Folds
PDC-fraggtus - Folds
PDC-bumnbutt - Folds
PDC-xxDUHxx - Calls $1.00
*** FLOP *** [7h Tc 9h]
PDC-xxDUHxx - Checks
PDC-pokerfiend101 - Bets $2.40
PDC-xxDUHxx - Calls $2.40
*** TURN *** [7h Tc 9h] [Jd]
PDC-xxDUHxx - Checks
PDC-pokerfiend101 - Bets $6.50
PDC-xxDUHxx - Calls $6.50
*** RIVER *** [7h Tc 9h Jd] [4h]
PDC-xxDUHxx - Checks
PDC-pokerfiend101 - All-In $25.22
PDC-xxDUHxx - All-In $14.33
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PDC-pokerfiend101 - shows [7d 7c] ( )
PDC-xxDUHxx - shows [Ac Js] ( )
PDC-pokerfiend101 Collects $10.89 from side pot-1
PDC-pokerfiend101 Collects $46.85 from main pot


Fun hands from session:

(can't find history)
raise preflop in position with A8o.
flop came 573 , 2 hearts
he checks, I cbet, he calls.
turn is Tx. check, check.
river is 7. He bets 3/4 pot. I go into tank for a bit, I call, he shows 9h4h.

He starts dealing out death threats to me. Pretty sure I have at least pot odds to call him there, I might even be ahead of his range, as he's betting a very polarized range. (air or trip 7s+). Only had of (air) I dont think I beat is Ah9h.



YEA FOR SPITE CALLS! (he called with ace high here), Ah9x I think.
I was almost positive he had Kh or Ah here, and he definitely value bets and calls my raise if he has Kh. And tries to make a lol bluff with Ah. Thus the reason for the river check. I think it was slightly better than B/B/B in this spot vs this opponent.

STAGE #40380281: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.25 - 2008-03-18 15:05:59 (ET)
Table: Tijuana -12040380 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 4 - PDC-paule02 ($40.74 in chips)
Seat 6 - PDC-napatyq01 ($23.29 in chips)
Seat 3 - PDC-djoleB ($66.91 in chips)
Seat 1 - PDC-bengaas ($8.01 in chips)
Seat 5 - PDC-KingOfTheJuice ($30.65 in chips)
Seat 2 - PDC-pokerfiend101 ($25.35 in chips)
PDC-bengaas - Posts small blind $0.10
PDC-pokerfiend101 - Posts big blind $0.25
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PDC-pokerfiend101 [Qh Th]
PDC-djoleB - Calls $0.25
PDC-paule02 - Folds
PDC-KingOfTheJuice - Folds
PDC-napatyq01 - Folds
PDC-bengaas - Calls $0.15
PDC-pokerfiend101 - Checks
*** FLOP *** [8h 2h 6h]
PDC-bengaas - Bets $0.25
PDC-pokerfiend101 - Raises $1.00 to $1
PDC-djoleB - Calls $1.00
PDC-bengaas - Folds
*** TURN *** [8h 2h 6h] [Ts]
PDC-pokerfiend101 - Bets $2.50
PDC-djoleB - Calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [8h 2h 6h Ts] [Ks]
PDC-pokerfiend101 - Checks
PDC-djoleB - Bets $2.00
PDC-pokerfiend101 - Raises $7.50 to $7.5
PDC-djoleB - Calls $5.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PDC-pokerfiend101 - shows [Qh Th] ( )
PDC-djoleB - Mucks
PDC-pokerfiend101 Collects $21.85 from main pot

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